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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 22, 2022 6:36:22 GMT
'knowing', and 'thinking'...............?
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Post by Gort on Aug 22, 2022 14:16:45 GMT
Wow, that's actually a profound question.  |
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Post by jubilee70 on Aug 22, 2022 14:30:26 GMT
Wow, that's actually a profound question. Does profound mean deep, because I don’t do deep now since I finished working down a very deep hole coal mine many years ago. Now shallow might make a bit of a difference, if I put my mind to it I probably could do shallow, just saying. |
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Post by Gort on Aug 22, 2022 14:49:39 GMT
Perhaps instinct is knowing but having to work something out is thinking?
On the other hand knowing facts is not the same as logic. However, do you have to think to recall facts?
The mind boggles.
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Post by Gort on Aug 22, 2022 14:51:27 GMT
Oops, almost 1:00 am here ... I reckon I will let the old grey matter ponder the subject with eyes closed.  |
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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 22, 2022 14:58:31 GMT
its to do with my asking what does a stone know?.... and evryone thinks I've asked what does a stone think?... but its not the same question, of course....  |
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Post by wompie on Aug 22, 2022 15:56:53 GMT
'knowing', and 'thinking'...............? Knowing is certainty. Thinking is uncertainty. I thought it through and I know I am right. we all do that......  |
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Post by wompie on Aug 22, 2022 17:30:03 GMT
'knowing', and 'thinking'...............? Knowing is certainty. Thinking is uncertainty. I thought it through and I know I am right. we all do that...... Really. You sure fooled me. Most people talk first then think. |
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Post by Gort on Aug 23, 2022 1:09:40 GMT
Speaking of thinking: I'm reminded of one episode of Doctor Who (one with Tom Baker as The Doctor - IMHO the best one of all the Doctors) where the classic " logic gate" was explained.  The scene is a place where two alien gate keepers are guarding a door each. Those doors being the only way to exit from where The Doctor and his companion are currently located. The only information that is provided is that one guard ALWAYS tells the truth and one guard ALWAYS lies. One door offers safe passage, the other door leads to certain death.  The problem? Which door is safe? Which guard is the one that tells the truth?  Only one question allowed. The Doctor solves the logical problem with this question: Turning to one of the guards, the one guarding the door on the left, he asks ... "If I ask that guard over there which door is the safe door, left or right, what will he say?" The guard answers: "He would say that the door on the right is the safe door." Ah Ha! Declares The Doctor. Then, turning to his companion, he states that the door on the left must the safe door. How did he know? Using the logic gate technique. If the guard he had asked was the one that always tells the truth, then the guard on the right would be the liar - he would say the door on the right is safe which would of course be a lie. If the guard he had asked was the one that always lies, then he would say that the guard on the right would say the door on the right is safe door which would of course be a lie by the guard on the left. So ... whichever one is said to be safe can be cancelled out and choosing the opposite of the stated door will be the safe one. |
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Post by Gort on Aug 23, 2022 1:53:14 GMT
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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 23, 2022 8:22:29 GMT
Thinking might be easier to define than knowing, unless u get into nerve transmission and some neuroanantomy. ( boring..)...and even then, its probably only partly a mechanical issue..tho in practice, it's overlaid onto the 'knowing' bit ,and seems inseparable from it.. 'Knowing' tho, is probably more of a philosophical issue, being concerned as it must be, with pure existence, which communicates itself by 'just being', and even then, only communicates that to itself, for no reason other than it has no choice. so theres that thorny question of what a stone knows, still to be unravelled....................  |
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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 23, 2022 8:57:30 GMT
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