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Aug 18, 2022 13:47:54 GMT
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Post by caskur on Aug 18, 2022 13:47:54 GMT
God from Gheu - to invoke, call upon. How far the idea of a supreme being goes back is unknown. Man is known to have been on this earth around 200,000 years. When the idea of a 'god' appeared is not known but latest indications are for at least 30,000 years. Therianthropes - half human,half man - were been painted on cave walls around 30,000 years ago. We have no idea how far Egyptian history actually goes back. Indications are that it is much farther back than we already know. The early Egyptian gods are therianthropes - Horus, Bastet, Anubis, Thoth, set etc. (about 20) Asian 'gods' are from stories of ancient beings - often 'beings' from the sky. The Jews do not write the word god. Neither do they use the full title for their other names. When the OT was written the Hebrew language had no written vowels, no chapters and no verses. Words were interpreted by the context of the sentence. EG. whether the man was wearing brown shirts or brown shorts would depend on the rest of the sentence. It wasn't until the early centuries of the Christian era that a group called Masorettes inserted vowels. At the same time they also gave the possible variation at the side of the passage. It's called the Masoretic Text. Chapters and verses were not added until the 13th century CE by a Catholic who, naturally, inserted chapters and verses according to church teaching. One reason we get so many wrong Christian/Islam interpretations of the OT. Isaiah,. for instance, is completely about Israel. Christianity uses chapter 53 as Jesus, the suffering servant. In the original the 4th suffering servant song starts earlier Chapter 52:13 in todays Bible. I'm an atheist who once was a Christian preacher. I then studied the background to the Bible which disproves many of the Bible stories. I could go through some but leave it there. Wouldn't matter what you said or think you know... when I was reading my sons eulogy at his funeral and a tremor was starting to go up my arm and I nearly collapsed, I felt Jehovahs holy spirit enter my being and I came good and was able to finish the eulogy without collapsing. I KNEW someone prayed for me... it was my husband who saw I was going to collapse. I am sorry God wasn't/isn't there for you but once you feel holy spirit enter NOTHING can break that bond. So while I wobble through spiritual ups and downs, no one can convince me God isn't there for us when we need HIM. |
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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 18, 2022 15:32:21 GMT
God from Gheu - to invoke, call upon. How far the idea of a supreme being goes back is unknown. Man is known to have been on this earth around 200,000 years. When the idea of a 'god' appeared is not known but latest indications are for at least 30,000 years. Therianthropes - half human,half man - were been painted on cave walls around 30,000 years ago. We have no idea how far Egyptian history actually goes back. Indications are that it is much farther back than we already know. The early Egyptian gods are therianthropes - Horus, Bastet, Anubis, Thoth, set etc. (about 20) Asian 'gods' are from stories of ancient beings - often 'beings' from the sky. The Jews do not write the word god. Neither do they use the full title for their other names. When the OT was written the Hebrew language had no written vowels, no chapters and no verses. Words were interpreted by the context of the sentence. EG. whether the man was wearing brown shirts or brown shorts would depend on the rest of the sentence. It wasn't until the early centuries of the Christian era that a group called Masorettes inserted vowels. At the same time they also gave the possible variation at the side of the passage. It's called the Masoretic Text. Chapters and verses were not added until the 13th century CE by a Catholic who, naturally, inserted chapters and verses according to church teaching. One reason we get so many wrong Christian/Islam interpretations of the OT. Isaiah,. for instance, is completely about Israel. Christianity uses chapter 53 as Jesus, the suffering servant. In the original the 4th suffering servant song starts earlier Chapter 52:13 in todays Bible. I'm an atheist who once was a Christian preacher. I then studied the background to the Bible which disproves many of the Bible stories. I could go through some but leave it there. Wouldn't matter what you said or think you know... when I was reading my sons eulogy at his funeral and a tremor was starting to go up my arm and I nearly collapsed, I felt Jehovahs holy spirit enter my being and I came good and was able to finish the eulogy without collapsing. I KNEW someone prayed for me... it was my husband who saw I was going to collapse. I am sorry God wasn't/isn't there for you but once you feel holy spirit enter NOTHING can break that bond. So while I wobble through spiritual ups and downs, no one can convince God isn't there for us when we need HIM. telling wompie that, is a red rag to a bull, I reckon..  Me, I never argue on matters so important.... you know me.....  |
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Post by caskur on Aug 18, 2022 16:04:56 GMT
yeah well I am a Minister so his chances with me are Buckleys to none. I am immovable.
I just watched Rutger Hauer die in Blade Runner. Good movie. It's now a 40 year old movie. Can you believe that?
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Post by wompie on Aug 18, 2022 17:46:34 GMT
yeah well I am a Minister so his chances with me are Buckleys to none. I am immovable. I just watched Rutger Hauer die in Blade Runner. Good movie. It's now a 40 year old movie. Can you believe that? Religion is what you want to believe. Inner strength when you need it is simply a natural feature for some people. The power of prayer has been tested and found wanting in many experiments. In times of need the body has an inner strength and the mind takes over. The brain has a faculty that can take previous experiences to help with current ones. The Bible is just a storybook which contains grains of truth - as do many other books. According to Biblical Genealogy and its claim that the Hebrews were in Egypt for 400+ years, Abraham lived around 2100-2000BCE. Generally agreed. That leaves several problems. 1. Terah set out for Canaan and ended in Haran. Why didn't he use the Traders trail from Ur to Canaan. It went straight across the desert to Canaan and had a city about halfway across for water and supplies. It would have halved his journey. And he didn't have the vast flocks that Abraham and Lot arer later supposed to have had. If you know the area and the times it's just nonsense. 2. The Chaldeans did not settle the area for another 1400 years. Ur was ruled by Sumeria or one of invaders of the time. When the story was written in the 7th century BCE the Chaldeans were in charge and so the scribes used them for their story. 3. Abraham is said to have bought his and Sarai's tomb from Ephron the Hittite. Which is odd because the Hittites are still several hundred years in the future before appearing in the area - thought from the East 4. Machpelah never was ruled by the Hittites. It was Egyptian territory. The Hittites were contained farther north at the Orontes river. In 1245 they tried to move south but the Egyptian army held them in the largest chariot battle in History at Kadesh. Both sides lost so many men they came to a truce. 5. The idea that Pharaoh would have been interested in Sarai - at 70 years of age - is ridiculous. Pharaoh had young princesses from kingdoms and tribes given in return for a trade deal. 'Letters' excavated by archaeology which are in several modern museums show this. He had 1 - possibly 2 Hittite princesses according to the letters. 6. Pharaoh was a god. Why should he be afraid of any other god. The story of Abraham is just a mythical story. with the other Patriarch, the story of Moses and the Exodus, written in the mid 1st millenium BCE while in Babylon, to give the Hebrews a foundation myth. The story of Moses and the supposed Exodus is just as mythical if you know the background on which the story is written. Not a shred of evidence for the Hebrews ever being in Egypt. The evidence is against it. |
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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 18, 2022 18:32:41 GMT
yeah well I am a Minister so his chances with me are Buckleys to none. I am immovable. I just watched Rutger Hauer die in Blade Runner. Good movie. It's now a 40 year old movie. Can you believe that? you are immoveable for sure, tho its not necessarily a good thing where broadening ur mind is concerned.... Not seen Blade runner....(dont remember, anyway..) He's an oik, tho and deserves to die for sure.. |
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Post by wompie on Aug 18, 2022 21:27:34 GMT
yeah well I am a Minister so his chances with me are Buckleys to none. I am immovable. I just watched Rutger Hauer die in Blade Runner. Good movie. It's now a 40 year old movie. Can you believe that? you are immoveable for sure, tho its not necessarily a good thing where broadening ur mind is concerned.... Not seen Blade runner....(dont remember, anyway..) He's an oik, tho and deserves to die for sure.. Broadening the mind is not something religious leaders are supposed to do. Stick to the rules and what you've been taught. |
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Post by caskur on Aug 19, 2022 5:30:32 GMT
Why should we be afraid of God he asks??? well that actually means to "afraid to displease God." Afraid to displease. But no, I am not afraid of God since there is no such thing as burning in a firery hell forever.
Actually taking away the fear of God has brought the planet to its knees.... Congratulations heathens, you must be proud of yourselves.
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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 19, 2022 5:35:20 GMT
Why should we be afraid of God he asks??? well that actually means to "afraid to displease God." Afraid to displease. But no, I am not afraid of God since there is no such thing as burning in a firery hell forever. Actually taking away the fear of God has brought the planet to its knees.... Congratulations heathens, you must be proud of yourselves. us heathens are on our first morning smoothie, and not yet concerned with what god thinks, unless hes gonna make us a cup of teaat 6.30 am |
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Post by wompie on Aug 19, 2022 11:21:39 GMT
Why should we be afraid of God he asks??? well that actually means to "afraid to displease God." Afraid to displease. But no, I am not afraid of God since there is no such thing as burning in a firery hell forever. Actually taking away the fear of God has brought the planet to its knees.... Congratulations heathens, you must be proud of yourselves. Should we really fear something/somebody that does not exist? It was fear of god that kept people in subjection. Fear of hell, inquisition, torture and burning. Fear of a god sent millions of children and adults to death by having their hearts removed, their bodies mutilated while alive. It's following a 'god' called Allah that is killing millions of women and children in the middle east and throughout the world. Christianity did the same in the middle ages. Congratulations religionists. The fact we have so many 'gods' and religions in this world is that different cultures create their own ideas of what their 'god' should be like. You only have to see that by the history of religions of various areas. Judaism, which the Jewish preacher Jesus preached, actually took their god 'Jahweh' from the Ugarit pantheon of gods. He was one of the 70 sons of El assigned to watch over Israel. So Jesus was the grandson of El. The Jews also adopted other religious practises for other religions. Christianity has done the same. Mohammed simply adapted the Tanakh for his own beliefs. Starting with Abraham the Abrahamic religions have all started with god telling someone something in secret. And Paul started Christianity withe a vision. Mohammed with visions and talks with Gabriel. Modern sects all atart in similar ways. And all claim to be god given. Way before this the ancient kings had codes which they claim were given them by their gods. Hammurabi claims Marduk gave him his. UrNammu credited his code to Utu/Shamash and others the same. Moses, in the fictional story, uses Jahweh, the code being given out of sight on a mountain. Odd, don't you think, that every religion/sect starts with one man being given the 'true' interpretation/update. We are told that this God will come with his army of angels. Why does he need an army when he could flick his fingers and the world would be wiped out. |
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Post by caskur on Aug 19, 2022 11:51:17 GMT
Oh shit... another atheist preaching. Or an apostate... GET BEHIND ME SATAN!!!!
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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 19, 2022 12:14:33 GMT
Oh shit... another atheist preaching. Or an apostate... GET BEHIND ME SATAN!!!! you KNOW thats no answer, babe....you shud be able to do better than that, surely? |
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Post by caskur on Aug 19, 2022 12:42:38 GMT
Oh shit... another atheist preaching. Or an apostate... GET BEHIND ME SATAN!!!! you KNOW thats no answer, babe....you shud be able to do better than that, surely? You know there is a time difference right? Which means it's now Friday night here in Perth 8:45 pm and I have been ripping youtube music to a thumb drive. What makes you think I want to start talking with boring God deniers when I am doing fun stuff?... I'll get to him when I get to him. MAYBE. He made his mind up YEARS ago. In the last days Jesus said, "The love of the greater number will cool off," THAT MEANS BELIEVERS leave gOD BASICALLY. hE IS JUST ANOTHER ONE OF THose seeds that sprout once but withered and died off... Oops, capslock... grrr!~ Now don't get mad. You should have worked out by now I'm not going to save any souls. They have to save themselves. |
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Post by caskur on Aug 19, 2022 12:53:50 GMT
Why should we be afraid of God he asks??? well that actually means to "afraid to displease God." Afraid to displease. But no, I am not afraid of God since there is no such thing as burning in a firery hell forever. Actually taking away the fear of God has brought the planet to its knees.... Congratulations heathens, you must be proud of yourselves. We are told that this God will come with his army of angels. Why does he need an army when he could flick his fingers and the world would be wiped out. You've been watching too much Samantha Steven in Bewitched. I do not believe in fictitious magic or that God made the universe in 6 / 24 hour days therefore He can twitch his fingers and change the world in a flash. (although it would be great guns if he actually did that) He needed Angels to fly over Egypt to snuff out the first borns. He didn't flick his fingers or twitch his nose to bump them off. Everything has a time line,... a beginning, and an end. You are living in the time of world-wide preaching and you've decided it's all bulldust. What is your stake in all this that you need to evangelize atheism? There is ZERO point in doing that for you attempt to take away HOPE from people's hearts therefore you are wicked I surmise. Hmmm, I wonder what you are hiding in your dark soul. |
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Post by wompie on Aug 19, 2022 15:16:56 GMT
We are told that this God will come with his army of angels. Why does he need an army when he could flick his fingers and the world would be wiped out. You've been watching too much Samantha Steven in Bewitched. I do not believe in fictitious magic or that God made the universe in 6 / 24 hour days therefore He can twitch his fingers and change the world in a flash. (although it would be great guns if he actually did that) He needed Angels to fly over Egypt to snuff out the first borns. He didn't flick his fingers or twitch his nose to bump them off. Everything has a time line,... a beginning, and an end. You are living in the time of world-wide preaching and you've decided it's all bulldust. What is your stake in all this that you need to evangelize atheism? There is ZERO point in doing that for you attempt to take away HOPE from people's hearts therefore you are wicked I surmise. Hmmm, I wonder what you are hiding in your dark soul. You really believe that story? Not a shred of evidence shows that the Hebrews were ever in Egypt. Evidence shows the opposite. The Hebrews were a canaanite tribe who moved from the coastal area to the Judean Hills and settled there. There social practises and religious beliefs show that. The Merneptah Stele shows that. HERE'S THE bIBLE STORY. The Hebrews were in Egypt for 400+ years. Then a man named Moses, brought up in Pharaohs palace goes through a lot of magic. The Hebrews leave Egypt. 600,000 of them are men between the age of 20 and 50 (see you Bible for supposed Israeli soldiers of the time period) and armed men ready to fight. Really? The Egyptian army consisted of about 20,000 men )see Battle of Kadesh 1245) The Hebrews could have wiped them out and taken over Egypt. Added together the Egyptian Army, Babylonian army and the Assyrian armies of the ancient middle east could not muster a fracture of that number. If there were 600,000 Hebrew men of that age group, that makes a total population of, most estimates, around 3 million Hebrews. 3 million is around half the estimated population of Egypt of the time. Population estimates are usually founded upon excavated or known cities of the time. Buildings, houses, rooms in houses etc. Not a mention in Egyptian records of the devastation that would have caused to their economy. Or of the loss of thousands of precious firstborn sons - heirs of the father. . Provisions for £3 million people in the desert would stretch even todays logistics. In those days impossible. At least 1.5 million quail a day. Water to provide for 3 million to drink, wash etc and water their livestock. Striking a rock might produce some, but 3 million. Let's just say there were 5 people in each household. That would mean half a million in the queue for water. Have you read and studied the instructions given for the Hebrews to march through the desert and the camping instructions. Impossible with that number. Canaan itself could not have supported anywhere that number + its indigenous population. Beyond that. At the time, and a long time before Egypt itself ruled Canaan The whole Abraham to the Exodus was a story written to give the Hebrews an origin. The OT was written by scribes in the 7th - 2nd century BCE. The Exodus story shows they had no experience of desert life and so their story is simply preposterous. The problems with Abraham I've already shown you. The Hebrew scribes in Babylon were well aware of history - theirs and their captors. They took known events and places and placed their characters in them and made for themselves a foundation story. a fairly recent estimate by Jewish Authorities estimates that over 50% of worldwide Jews no longer practise their religion and many who do accept that the stories above are simply allegories. Whatever you want to believe is up to you. I grew out of fairy stories long ago. what a shame- some of those fairy stories are really good, but congrats on your much prized but overrated adulthood. |
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Post by wompie on Aug 19, 2022 15:25:42 GMT
In the last days Jesus said, "The love of the greater number will cool off,".
He was talkn ing to the Jews.
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Me, I never argue on matters so important.... you know me..... 
