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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 19, 2022 15:33:12 GMT
Hi Wompie.... youre a better man than me, Gunga din.. I commend your optimism and enthusiasm...heres a little something to encourage you:-
The Lord bless you and keep you;The Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious unto you;The Lord lift up his countenance upon you ,and give you peace, now and for evermore...
Amazing how much the stuff they bang into you at school stays with you, innit?
but if you dont say ur prayers you can forget all that stuff..............so keep a penny handy for dear old Charon, just in case!
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Post by Gort on Aug 20, 2022 2:11:54 GMT
God from Gheu - to invoke, call upon. How far the idea of a supreme being goes back is unknown. Man is known to have been on this earth around 200,000 years. When the idea of a 'god' appeared is not known but latest indications are for at least 30,000 years. Therianthropes - half human,half man - were been painted on cave walls around 30,000 years ago. We have no idea how far Egyptian history actually goes back. Indications are that it is much farther back than we already know. The early Egyptian gods are therianthropes - Horus, Bastet, Anubis, Thoth, set etc. (about 20) Asian 'gods' are from stories of ancient beings - often 'beings' from the sky. The Jews do not write the word god. Neither do they use the full title for their other names. When the OT was written the Hebrew language had no written vowels, no chapters and no verses. Words were interpreted by the context of the sentence. EG. whether the man was wearing brown shirts or brown shorts would depend on the rest of the sentence. It wasn't until the early centuries of the Christian era that a group called Masorettes inserted vowels. At the same time they also gave the possible variation at the side of the passage. It's called the Masoretic Text. Chapters and verses were not added until the 13th century CE by a Catholic who, naturally, inserted chapters and verses according to church teaching. One reason we get so many wrong Christian/Islam interpretations of the OT. Isaiah,. for instance, is completely about Israel. Christianity uses chapter 53 as Jesus, the suffering servant. In the original the 4th suffering servant song starts earlier Chapter 52:13 in todays Bible. I'm an atheist who once was a Christian preacher. I then studied the background to the Bible which disproves many of the Bible stories. I could go through some but leave it there. "...I'm an atheist who once was a Christian preacher. I then studied the background to the Bible which disproves many of the Bible stories. I could go through some but leave it there." That's interesting. Once upon a time I spent a couple of years in the highlands of Papua New Guinea teaching the children of several different church "missionary groups". American; Australian; New Zealander. That experience turned me Atheist. The number of racist; back-stabbing; bigoted; dishonest liars in that community seemed to outnumber the fair share seen in other communities.  |
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Post by wompie on Aug 20, 2022 4:47:30 GMT
Hi Wompie.... youre a better man than me, Gunga din.. I commend your optimism and enthusiasm...heres a little something to encourage you:- The Lord bless you and keep you;The Lord make his face to shine upon you, and be gracious unto you;The Lord lift up his countenance upon you ,and give you peace, now and for evermore... Amazing how much the stuff they bang into you at school stays with you, innit? but if you dont say ur prayers you can forget all that stuff..............so keep a penny handy for dear old Charon, just in case! You've been reading too much Greek mythology. The JW's have converted him into a Space Pilot to take you to heaven.  |
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Post by wompie on Aug 20, 2022 5:13:36 GMT
God from Gheu - to invoke, call upon. How far the idea of a supreme being goes back is unknown. Man is known to have been on this earth around 200,000 years. When the idea of a 'god' appeared is not known but latest indications are for at least 30,000 years. Therianthropes - half human,half man - were been painted on cave walls around 30,000 years ago. We have no idea how far Egyptian history actually goes back. Indications are that it is much farther back than we already know. The early Egyptian gods are therianthropes - Horus, Bastet, Anubis, Thoth, set etc. (about 20) Asian 'gods' are from stories of ancient beings - often 'beings' from the sky. The Jews do not write the word god. Neither do they use the full title for their other names. When the OT was written the Hebrew language had no written vowels, no chapters and no verses. Words were interpreted by the context of the sentence. EG. whether the man was wearing brown shirts or brown shorts would depend on the rest of the sentence. It wasn't until the early centuries of the Christian era that a group called Masorettes inserted vowels. At the same time they also gave the possible variation at the side of the passage. It's called the Masoretic Text. Chapters and verses were not added until the 13th century CE by a Catholic who, naturally, inserted chapters and verses according to church teaching. One reason we get so many wrong Christian/Islam interpretations of the OT. Isaiah,. for instance, is completely about Israel. Christianity uses chapter 53 as Jesus, the suffering servant. In the original the 4th suffering servant song starts earlier Chapter 52:13 in todays Bible. I'm an atheist who once was a Christian preacher. I then studied the background to the Bible which disproves many of the Bible stories. I could go through some but leave it there. "...I'm an atheist who once was a Christian preacher. I then studied the background to the Bible which disproves many of the Bible stories. I could go through some but leave it there." That's interesting. Once upon a time I spent a couple of years in the highlands of Papua New Guinea teaching the children of several different church "missionary groups". American; Australian; New Zealander. That experience turned me Atheist. The number of racist; back-stabbing; bigoted; dishonest liars in that community seemed to outnumber the fair share seen in other communities. The problem with religious groups is the demand that you follow what they teach, and don't study for yourself outside their guidelines. I did. Many religious people have little idea of what the world was like when the Bible was written. And that is essential to actually understanding the Bible - particularly the Tanakh - OT. Many of the early stories in the OT are simply adaptations of earlier stories and many - like Noah's flood - are simply impossible in this world if you know hydrology. Odd if God created the world. My own view of how religion came into being is simple. One morning Ug the caveman got up from his bed in the hillside cave. Leaving his 'wife' Og asleep he exited the cave and was immediately covered by a fall of snow from above. Not understanding gravity he immediately looked up to see who had done this to him. Of course he saw nothing. On the second and third morning the same thing happened and still he saw nothing. He thought 'If I appease this unseen being perhaps he will leave me alone. So at the end of the third day he left a gift of meat outside. When he got up on the fourth day no snow fell on him and the meat was gone. So he continued this practise of appeasement of the unseen. Of course, we know that it was spring and the snow had gone, and the meat was eaten by some animal. Well, something like that. |
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Post by Gort on Aug 20, 2022 6:19:23 GMT
I think the Ug / Og story is on the money.  |
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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 20, 2022 6:30:26 GMT
I think the Ug / Og story is on the money. You atheists, eh?..... youll all end up in the eternal bonfire....  |
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Post by caskur on Aug 20, 2022 8:11:55 GMT
I think the Ug / Og story is on the money. I have stood in front of Catholic and Church of England Bishops and preached the Bible to them and the Catholic Bishop LISTENED AND LEARNED from me... I would tell you more but this isn't the place. I see on your board you have started a religion board that Eggy went straight to...HAHA. also Spork started Newstalkback3. It seems he wants the power of being an admin so didn't join here. I joined the new one but I think his Christian right-wing rhetoric got on people's nerves. I had people trying to join newstalkback1 but they couldn't get in... |
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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 20, 2022 8:20:04 GMT
I think the Ug / Og story is on the money. I have stood in front of Catholic and Church of England Bishops and preached the Bible to them and the Catholic Bishop LISTENED AND LEARNED from me... yes- those guys are usually pretty polite, even if they do believe some odd things..I would tell you more but this isn't the place .here and now is the only time and place ull ever have..I see on your board you have started a religion board that Eggy went straight to...HAHA. I guess you must have done the same eh? HAHA. Its where one finds the most contention,and the best fun!also Spork started Newstalkback3. It seems he wants the power of being an admin so didn't join here. I joined the new one but I think his Christian right-wing rhetoric got on people's nerves. I had people trying to join newstalkback1 but they couldn't get in... me neither, and the blue thingy board is so messy to wade through, that I cant be arsed with that either... any way, i have things to do, tho u wudnt believe it ,the time i spend on here.. I figured that if there was plenty of activity on here, it might catch more interest, and that if there were enuf posters, that no one poster would need to be here so much... The OZ board is often pretty dreary unless I annoy a few folk a bit.................lots of members who never contribute.... I'd give a couple of weeks notice, and then delete anyone who didnt bother after that... a clean up in fact!
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Post by caskur on Aug 20, 2022 8:49:32 GMT
I have stood in front of Catholic and Church of England Bishops and preached the Bible to them and the Catholic Bishop LISTENED AND LEARNED from me... yes- those guys are usually pretty polite, even if they do believe some odd things..I would tell you more but this isn't the place .here and now is the only time and place ull ever have..I see on your board you have started a religion board that Eggy went straight to...HAHA. I guess you must have done the same eh? HAHA. Its where one finds the most contention,and the best fun!also Spork started Newstalkback3. It seems he wants the power of being an admin so didn't join here. I joined the new one but I think his Christian right-wing rhetoric got on people's nerves. I had people trying to join newstalkback1 but they couldn't get in... me neither, and the blue thingy board is so messy to wade through, that I cant be arsed with that either... any way, i have things to do, tho u wudnt believe it ,the time i spend on here.. I figured that if there was plenty of activity on here, it might catch more interest, and that if there were enuf posters, that no one poster would need to be here so much... The OZ board is often pretty dreary unless I annoy a few folk a bit.................lots of members who never contribute.... I'd give a couple of weeks notice, and then delete anyone who didnt bother after that... a clean up in fact!
I am not talking about the milk of God's word, I am talking about the meat of God's word. Something you and your atheists mates and most, if not all clergy class are clueless about and that is the Greek language... hint - Parousia. |
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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 20, 2022 10:39:11 GMT
I am not talking about the milk of God's word, I am talking about the meat of God's word. Something you and your atheists mates and most, if not all clergy class are clueless about and that is the Greek language... hint - Parousia. Im not actually an atheist- I have mentioned that b4, but ur so taken up with ur JW rants that u havent noticed. Also..................Greek and Latin were the stuff of life at school, tho i aint sure why you big Greek up so much - it was boring as hell. You assume too much, in order to suit your offset views of things.... Quad erat demonstrandum.............. |
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Post by Gort on Aug 20, 2022 11:28:40 GMT
I think the Ug / Og story is on the money. You atheists, eh?..... youll all end up in the eternal bonfire.... Here's one to ponder: An atheist is by definition without Sin. |
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Post by wompie on Aug 20, 2022 11:45:38 GMT
I am not talking about the milk of God's word, I am talking about the meat of God's word. Something you and your atheists mates and most, if not all clergy class are clueless about and that is the Greek language... hint - Parousia. If you are so knowledgeable them explain why the Bible is so full of stories which are proven to be myths. You do know the 2 nativity stories are simply made up of misinterpreted OT scriptures. Not only that they go against the Roman and Jewish laws/rules of the time. The Greek language is irrelevant as far as the OT is concerned. That was written in Hebrew. It was translated into Greek by the Septuagint, who had problems in translating where words in Hebrew had no comparison in the Greek. Ditto when it was converted into the Latin Vulgate . eg. The word conscience is not found in the OT but the Septuagint use it 3 times. Second coming. The Jews hold the hope that Jahweh will send a 'Messiah' to bring the nations to heel and accept Jahweh as their God. Christianity hopes that Jesus will return. These are purely hopes and aspirations of the faithful. Christianity holds Revelation to be a second coming of Jesus. Interestingly it is made up of OT images reused for Christian purposes. What Christians are not told is that John's Revelations is a virtual copy of a much earlier 'Book of Revelations' written by the Jewish Essene sect using similar images from the OT. John adds Jesus to his book whereas the Essenes add Mother Earth. The Essenes are also Jews and the Jews are ruled by the hated Romans. Just as in John's time. Why would the Essene Jewish sect write about a second coming of a man who had not yet been born? Both books are a tirade against the Romans - hidden in picture language so loved by the Jews. The Babylon Harlot is Rome. And quite appropriate for the conditions prevailing in Rome at the time. Debauchery, licentuousness, incest, etc etc. To claim it refers to ancient Babylon goes against the fact that God is supposed to have sent Israel to exile in Babylon (a harlot city?). In fact, it is in Babylon that Ezekiel forms the idea for the Jews becoming led by the Priesthood and not a king. It is also where Israel became monotheistic following the example of Babylonian Zoroastrianism. . This is actually what happened when they returned to Israel. The Priesthood ruled. This can be seen clearly in the period of the Hasmonean/Maccabean kingdom in the 2nd century BCE. Kings existed - and even a Regnant Queen - but the priesthood had the power. We really don't know what Jesus said. The Gospels were, in the main, secondhand accounts and written up to 5 decades after his death. Neither Mark or Luke followed, or even met, Jesus. Matthews Gospel is too legalistic in Jewish terms for a disciple of Jesus to have actually written. And I know Matthew was a Tax collector but that doesn't give him religious legalistic knowledge. It is thought to have been written by a Jewish scholar - perhaps with an aged Matthew's help. But for a man like Matthew- in his dotage - or anyone for that matter - to have remembered the Sermon on the mount, 3 chapters, verbatim is beyond belief. John is the only one to have possibly written his own gospel - though some doubt even that. But John has a purpose in writing his Gospel and that is to convince people that Jesus was the Messiah. The Church in Jerusalem would have remained a Jewish sect, Paul, on the other hand, being rejected by the Church in Jerusalem for many years, eventually - supposedly - had a vision directing him to the Gentiles. Strange how many conflicting religions start in the same way. God telling them they are right never mind what others say. Paul was clever in his approach to the Gentiles. He had learnt Greek philosophy, beside Jewish teaching, from Gamaliel who taught Greek students Greek philosophy for use when they returned to Greece. Paul used the Greek and Roman philosopher's ideas in his own teachings. Acts 17:24-28 are all using quotes from Seneca, a Roman Stoic. Athenodorus, another stoic philosopher said, "Every man's conscience is his god" and regarded duty to be a matter of the conscience. Paul uses this in Titus 1:15-16, Paul warns against those whose "minds and consciences" have been corrupted so that their actions deny God. Paul uses Plato, Aristotle AND OTHERS. Christianity and Greek philosophy and very similar - with Jesus thrown in for Christianity. With respect, I have heard many great preachers expound the 'Word of God', but when you hear them preaching from a book you know to be wrong by simply study, you have to question their own knowledge. |
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Post by caskur on Aug 20, 2022 11:52:48 GMT
I am not talking about the milk of God's word, I am talking about the meat of God's word. Something you and your atheists mates and most, if not all clergy class are clueless about and that is the Greek language... hint - Parousia. Im not actually an atheist- I have mentioned that b4, but ur so taken up with ur JW rants that u havent noticed. Also..................Greek and Latin were the stuff of life at school, tho i aint sure why you big Greek up so much - it was boring as hell. You assume too much, in order to suit your offset views of things.... Quad erat demonstrandum.............. Well parousia is the Greek word for PRESENCE. Now most translations of the Bible have translated that Greek word to English COMING in the KJV for instance, so the modern day Christian religions think it means Jesus is COMING again like he did last time but no, they (christendom that is) do not even know how to peach about the "second coming" as they call it or what it actually is. GREEK word parousia in Matt 24 verse 3. Its proper translation should be presence NOT coming. It is a very important chapter of the Bible because it talks about NOW. the bible is all about then, tho, innit? |
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Post by Gort on Aug 20, 2022 12:03:38 GMT
Speaking of religious statues ...  Groucho Marx might have said: "My wife claims I couldn't find that even with a map!" |
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Post by caskur on Aug 20, 2022 12:31:14 GMT
Speaking of religious statues ... Groucho Marx might have said: "My wife claims I couldn't find that even with a map!" I wonder pervert thought that one up?....lol |
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