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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 20, 2022 14:49:20 GMT
It's drawing closer to the end. Bruce Willis doesn't know his dead yet. Of course ghosts are rubbish. They're not dead people, they are fallen angels or more precisely demons. its bin drawing closer to the end for the last 140 years! Bring it on, and soon, I say! |
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Post by jubilee70 on Aug 20, 2022 14:49:57 GMT
That 6th Sense movie is the creepiest show ever made. It really is rubbish. "I see dead people" I live across from a Cemetery, never see any dead people but can see where they are buried. Not one has come over to haunt me yet either, lived here 68 years but still keep my fingers crossed just in case. Just saying. |
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Post by jubilee70 on Aug 20, 2022 14:54:08 GMT
Nope, I have my mother and father to thank for that, that Jehovah person whom ever he/she is had nothing to do with it. I don’t know where you get those insane ideas from. Nefarious, is that some sort of religion I have never heard of, it’s nor surprising, there is that many different religions with different branches to them, it is nearly impossible to count them. One thing about Atheism there can only be the one, my wonderful life if you were referring to me was all my own doing, with the help of a wonderful sane wife too. Just saying. Youll come to Jehovah in the end, you unbeliever- everyone does, till they get to 144,000, that is........... the rest can blow it up their arris, apparently! So you know that for certain do you, might I ask how you came to know that, i am really interested to find out. Just saying. |
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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 20, 2022 14:55:58 GMT
Youll come to Jehovah in the end, you unbeliever- everyone does, till they get to 144,000, that is........... the rest can blow it up their arris, apparently! So you know that for certain do you, might I ask how you came to know that, i am really interested to find out. Just saying. It says so in my bible........... its the word of god- even the bits that I added! haaaaaaa....  |
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Post by jubilee70 on Aug 20, 2022 15:11:57 GMT
I think that the Bible must be the most sold book of fiction ever printed along with the Koran of course, some people get so obsessed with it that they start believing every word in it is true. I suppose it is about has true has an astronauts once landed on the Sun and came back to tell their story. Just saying.
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Aug 20, 2022 15:45:37 GMT
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Post by caskur on Aug 20, 2022 15:45:37 GMT
I think that the Bible must be the most sold book of fiction ever printed along with the Koran of course, some people get so obsessed with it that they start believing every word in it is true. I suppose it is about has true has an astronauts once landed on the Sun and came back to tell their story. Just saying. The Bible is the most sold book on the planet which is actually one of the reasons people will tell you it is a letter from God. It's in the Guiness Book of Records unless that has changed... The Qu'ran isn't God's word. EITHER is the book of Mormoms and later day saints and since you have never studied the Bible you are making an ignorant comment. BUT that is OK, God won't hold it against you. |
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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 20, 2022 15:52:32 GMT
I think that the Bible must be the most sold book of fiction ever printed along with the Koran of course, some people get so obsessed with it that they start believing every word in it is true. I suppose it is about has true has an astronauts once landed on the Sun and came back to tell their story. Just saying. The Bible is the most sold book on the planet which is actually one of the reasons people will tell you it is a letter from God. It's in the Guiness Book of Records unless that has changed... The Qu'ran isn't God's word. EITHER is the book of Mormoms and later day saints and since you have never studied the Bible you are making an ignorant comment. BUT that is OK, God won't hold it against you. popularity isnt a measure of quailty...........maybe the guinness book of records is written by god, to big up his other book. God being all present and all encompassing, everything written and everything else too is from god and is part of god....( so as they say in exams.. 'if not, why not? |
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Aug 20, 2022 15:58:17 GMT
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Post by caskur on Aug 20, 2022 15:58:17 GMT
All I can do is recite its contents... do I look like a walking library?
If the book of mormon or the nasty quran were letters from God I am sure every household would have a copy but they don't and those two books aren't in the guiness book of records.
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Post by wompie on Aug 20, 2022 18:35:17 GMT
All I can do is recite its contents... do I look like a walking library? If the book of mormon or the nasty quran were letters from God I am sure every household would have a copy but they don't and those two books aren't in the guiness book of records. I can recite some of Shakespeares Sonnets - which I love - but it doesn't mean they are true. Neither the Qu'ran or the Book of Mormon have been around as long as the Bible and not many people today have a Bible in their house. I have 3 varied Bibles and a Qu'ran for study purposes. Many years ago I spent 6 months on an indepth study of the book of Acts, the rulers, characters, actions and cities on which the book is written. Ispent another 6 months doing a study of the Biblical story of Saul and David, their interaction and the impossible life and events that the background discloses. It was partly this realisation that made me consider my beliefs. I spent some time studying Abraham etc. and the background on which the story is supposed to have taken place. I studied the book of Jonah against the ancient story of Oannes - the Babylonian god who was half man and half fish, and appeared to the Babylonians to imparted wisdom. Where was Jonah thrown up on the shore. It certainly wasn't anywhere near the city he was sent to. Unless the big fish managed to swim round the continent of Africa in 3 days. Why did the scribes of the 7th century write the story of Ruth? Was it to combat the order that the Hebrews should abandon foreign wives to keep Israel pure. It pointed out that Ruth was a Moabite and grandmother to David. The book of Job is simply an argument as to why the righteuos suffer. There never was a man called Job. The argument was an age old one. Ludlul bēl nēmeqi predates the book of Job by centuries and itself has earlier arguments. Knowing and reciting the Bible is nothing. Jesus the preacher knew the OT well simply because the Jews practised Proverbs 22:6. 'Direct your children onto the right path, and when they are older, they will not leave it'.(NLT) . The children were taught the Torah from the age of 5 and the rest of the OT from the age of 9. Christianity and Islam practise this. It's called indoctrination. Most of what he taught can be found in the OT. The Gospel writers added their own words to make Jesus their Messiah. The JW's discourage their flock to study outside of their teaching. Offer them something religious to read and they shy away. I once offered a passage from the Qu'ran. The person was horrified and backed away. C'est la vie. |
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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 20, 2022 18:55:17 GMT
Hi Trev- I have a Bible, a Quran, and a Gita- they are, in combination, stacked one on the other just the right height to perch on for an hours meditation....and TBH thats the best use Ive ever found for them, so never let it be said that those 3 dont gel together- they do! Caskur seems to think that the Guiness book of records is some sort of measure of quality or quantity or both , but I dont get why any one wud think that..She wont, either, appreciate your well researched Biblical history, as those guys are somehow conditioned to look neither left nor right.. but to only believe what theyve bin told to. Its quite a neat trick to make someone quite so impervious to even the simplest truths....and not only that, but for them to think that its their place on this earth to school the rest of us,and that they have a monopoly on 'truth'...... I guess its almost harmless; I say almost, as theres this nonsense about blood, amongst other things... that particular nonsense can kill someone.! Knowing and reciting the Bible is nothing. Jesus the preacher knew the OT well simply because the Jews practised Proverbs 22:6. 'Direct your children onto the right path, and when they are older, they will not leave it'. Thats a variation on 'you can take the boy out of the chapel , but not the chapel out of the boy' .................Religion truly is malignant! so while you are trying to educate her, she is at the same time, trying to educate you!..... My own opinion is that education is vastly overrated, (tho only those who've actually had an education, say that sort of thing, I spose..)... Crisps and red wine for supper tonite......bliss.......  |
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Post by wompie on Aug 20, 2022 22:39:55 GMT
Hi Trev- I have a Bible, a Quran, and a Gita- they are, in combination, stacked one on the other just the right height to perch on for an hours meditation....and TBH thats the best use Ive ever found for them, so never let it be said that those 3 dont gel together- they do! Caskur seems to think that the Guiness book of records is some sort of measure of quality or quantity or both , but I dont get why any one wud think that..She wont, either, appreciate your well researched Biblical history, as those guys are somehow conditioned to look neither left nor right.. but to only believe what theyve bin told to. Its quite a neat trick to make someone quite so impervious to even the simplest truths....and not only that, but for them to think that its their place on this earth to school the rest of us,and that they have a monopoly on 'truth'...... I guess its almost harmless; I say almost, as theres this nonsense about blood, amongst other things... that particular nonsense can kill someone.! Knowing and reciting the Bible is nothing. Jesus the preacher knew the OT well simply because the Jews practised Proverbs 22:6. 'Direct your children onto the right path, and when they are older, they will not leave it'. Thats a variation on 'you can take the boy out of the chapel , but not the chapel out of the boy' .................Religion truly is malignant! so while you are trying to educate her, she is at the same time, trying to educate you!..... My own opinion is that education is vastly overrated, (tho only those who've actually had an education, say that sort of thing, I spose..)...
Crisps and red wine for supper tonite......bliss....... The problem with that Eggy is that I have proven time and again she is wrong. But then she has been indoctrinated to deny facts and believe fiction. Who csn blame her? It took me a long while to accept that all I have been brought up to believe was wrong. Christmas is the worst time. The Nativity story is told time and time again yet I know that it is simply a made up story from OT scriptures to make Jesus divine. Knowing the background of the time and the building up of the story till it became accepted. The JW's don't celebrate his birth, but they do accept the Biblical nativity story. They claim, as does Christianity, that the birth was prophesied in the OT. It wasn't. The passages used are simply taken out of context of the Hebrew text. That add inferences to passages/verses that are not true. Poor young heavily pregnant Mary is made to walk 90 miles to Bethlehem over several days, when in fact neither the Roman Census Law or Jewish laws required her to do so. As far a Jews were concerned pregnant women or those with unweaned babies are expected to stay at home until the child is weaned. She was heavily pregnant, there were ho houses in which to stop overnight on the road. We're not talking about about motels etc, but open roads. And often dangerous roads with robbers. Palestine wasn't a peaceful place everyone thinks. Spaces between villages could be dangerous to the unwary traveller. Where possible people travelled in groups. Censuses weren't about registering people but their property - for tax purposes. Josephs property was in Nazareth. The silly idea that he went to Bethlehem because he was 'of the house and lineage of David' is just nonsense. David was 1000 years dead. Joseph had no property there. As I said tax was on property. In the 1000 years since David - if he actually existed - had died Bethlehem had been through war and turmoil, its inhabitants exiled and then the Horrific period of the Maccabean kingdom where there was always fighting, and an invasion by the Seleucids and Antichus Epiphanes. They threw him out but continued feuding amoung themselves. In short, it was this feuding that allowed the Romans to take over. There mare so many different problems with the story. If you study Luke's account that Davids descendants must go to Bethlehem - and David, we are told had at least 20 sons not including those we may not know about and daughters. Over 1000 years this family would have overwhelmed not only Bethlehems small village, but the whole area as far as Jerusalem with houndreds of thousands of people - if you include families. No wonder there was no room at the Inn. The inn, by the way, didn't exist. The custon of the day in small villages was for visitors to stand in the centre and the villagers would offer hospitality - food or even a bed for the night. As in the story of Jesus and the Samaritan woman, where he waited at the well for water. Crikey. It's bed time. |
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Post by Gort on Aug 21, 2022 3:20:24 GMT
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Post by caskur on Aug 21, 2022 3:36:08 GMT
Omg... he is passionate about his apostasy isn't he.....lol
He THINKS he knows about JW AND WHAT THEY KNOW. that is 1. Funny and 2. Sad at the same time.
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Post by wompie on Aug 21, 2022 21:52:49 GMT
Omg... he is passionate about his apostasy isn't he.....lol He THINKS he knows about JW AND WHAT THEY KNOW. that is 1. Funny and 2. Sad at the same time. If that is meant about me let me tell you that I read practically all the handouts the JW's give. We have a JW Kingdom Hall in town which has a group which stand in the precinct with a stand of leaflets. As I told you I have spent a lot of time debating with them and their leaders. I was even asked to one of their special services. I didn't go of course. So, yes, I know a fair bit of what the JW's believe. The Bible you read is not the original version. I believe I mentioned that the Hebrews did not chapters or verses or written vowels. Vowels were added by the masorettes in the first centuries of the first millenia CE. Chapters and verses much later in the 13th century CE. The world was completely different then, and unless you can understand and see that world with their eyes, you will never understand the REAL Bible. The Nativity story is a point in question. 2 contradictary stores and neither follow the laws - Jewish and Roman - of the day. In fact Jesus apparently ends up in Nazareth and Egypt at the same time accvording to the 2 stories. With Luke it is Nazareth ( 40 days after Jesus birth) With Matthew it is Egypt (until Herod the Great dies). Now that is a miracle. In fact it would have been quicker and safer to have gone to the Roman province of Syria than to the Roman Province of Egypt. |
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Post by Egginbonce on Aug 22, 2022 6:27:30 GMT
haaa. thats delightfully irreverent of yer, Gort............. got any more? |
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